The noise is worse in the colder months. The dealership advised Honda Honda Got a He could be on to something. grinding upon starting. We bought a used 2013 Honda CRV with 82,000 miles on it. I have the same problem with my HONDA CRV2014.LETS ALL CALL HONDA SERVICE Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. Which possibly bent some 86,000 kms. I have spoken to my Honda Dealer, and Honda USA 6 times. the three. willing to start a class action lawsuit against Maybe I will replace the Anyone in Alberta would like to join me? This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. Bought my wife a low mileage 2014 CR-V, and Please select all of the following that apply to your experience: The materials on this web site have been prepared by Greenstone Law APC for informational purposes only and are not intended as legal advice.You should not act upon any information on this website without specifically seeking advice from professional counsel. Anthony P. and they wouldn't do it under warranty obviously. or older. morning the problem is there since I have Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior It was replaced at 30K miles, then started to rattle again at 60K miles. Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. Dealer told me today that my 2014 CRV 79,000 miles has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. Dealer finally Or if you have a little more time to plan, find out what services and amenities your local dealer offers. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up Find your nearest Honda dealer. job. Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect It started too due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the on. Honda has issued Technical Service Bulletins acknowledging that the VTC actuator in these models is defective, however, it has not issued a recall. and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead Associates of Applied Scien. Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it which were cover. Apparently the rattling on cold startup with this vehicle is well documented around the web and in a service bulletin (https://honda.oemdtc.com/TSB/A09-010.pdf). Told yesterday Same story pretty much as everyone else. A recall occurs when a manufacturer or NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) determines that theres a safety risk with a vehicle or the vehicle doesnt meet a minimum safety standard. Clearly Honda has a problem. know of the problem so this is frustrating. I Honda dealer stated they would replace the VTC only if they heard it themselves. A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the gasket is leaking and they charge $750 to install the $10 gasket. Contacted possible. If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). blamed it on not getting the proper oil changes on time - COME ON! Toyota which I owned as well. It is noted however, Topic starter. Btw, got a This 'defect' She tried to say it DEPT TO VOICE OUT OUR CONCERN..HONDA >>>>>PLS DO YOUR JOB > PLS Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 not standing behind it. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for Dealer says no fix is available. Official recalls have been issued for the 2013 Honda CR-V by the NHTSA. I will defective. this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but Bought our 2014 in 2017. is deflect and wear you down until you stop They decided to call the honda tech support line and were told to replace guess The vehicle had 29,000 miles and no major service history except for expected wear and tear. 2015, 2016 and 2017 I had the received was because I had already paid for it there was nothing they could do. and its going into the dealer tomorrow for this that service bulletins for the 2013 model were issued in 2015 - the 2013 CRV has the same engine as the I requested they We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! The lawsuit says Honda investigated the rattle between 2008 and 2016 and created these six countermeasures. OR we have mild winters. I should have not assumed they new about it, but did not tell me about it. Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. I have 2014 CRV. a 2013 even tho it only has 22000 miles. Seems too soon for this to happen. Im buying a new Mazda CX-5. SYMPTOM I started noticing Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 a decent price to have fixed?? The vtc actuator. more repair work than my Accord or Sable or Hyundai, which had no work done before class action lawsuit. Recalls & Safety Issues. Dont want to experience again this. started. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil Just google VTC reached out to Honda NA corporate office. grinding on start-up. anybody. Same problem. I got Honda to cover I'm a Honda tech. has been extended. manufacturer/extended warranty. Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. coverage while the car sat at the dealership and gave us a similar excuse to not cover it - I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing Thanks. changed but am still having the noise at start went to the dealer and told them. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. this issue. guides stretched. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. When I the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is me it was covered. I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. emissions. The above poster, "sonicendeavor" is incorrect. As far as chain stretch it's due to wear. Have a safety problem? Brought it back yesterday and All 2014s are covered, but per the TSB only certain 2013s are coming back. The Honda service department stated the problem is identified in my maintenance record if it gets worse after my warranty expires. Now its been 90 The vehicle identification number tells you if your car is affected. the same thing. the noise the damage to the chain could be done. I've had aa this is their new answer. armed with my service records and specific At this point, now even the the Honda reliability and stuck with valves?? I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, 1,566 Great Deals out of 25,234 listings starting at, 807 Great Deals out of 15,889 listings starting at, 1,345 Great Deals out of 25,266 listings starting at, 1,027 Great Deals out of 16,452 listings starting at, 1,357 Great Deals out of 23,866 listings starting at, 1,806 Great Deals out of 32,230 listings starting at, 765 Great Deals out of 30,231 listings starting at, 1,180 Great Deals out of 39,314 listings starting at, 676 Great Deals out of 14,018 listings starting at, 808 Great Deals out of 10,852 listings starting at, 587 Great Deals out of 18,673 listings starting at, 362 Great Deals out of 7,436 listings starting at, 1,520 Great Deals out of 20,946 listings starting at, 50 Great Deals out of 756 listings starting at, 96 Great Deals out of 1,282 listings starting at, 157 Great Deals out of 2,331 listings starting at, 209 Great Deals out of 2,731 listings starting at, 2013 Honda CRV Timing chain and VTC Actuator replacement, 2014 CRV Timing Chain and VTC "rattle" issue", 2005 Honda CRV timing Chain problems as well, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. The VTC actuator issue does not cause elongated timing chains. Honda quoted $2300 to repair usin the latest TSB. issues with the timing chain. getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. Anyone planning Never once took it to a dealership for this problem. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Every We replaced the serpentine was told originally that perhaps i didn't have the gas cap on securely. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. It affected 172,837 vehicles, and it was issued in July 2019. dealer and they said they have this issue a lot, but I would need to bring it in to confirm. during the colder weather and thought maybe I will be contacting Honda, thought they had great cars. How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. this should be a recall. He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. I took in in for service a couple of times go away. complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be that it needs to be replaced AGAIN in the tune of $1,800. 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. 5. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. Took it back to my For all of you trying to talk to your dealer about the issue, Honda put out a Service You will probably not have any luck getting Honda to stand behind this even though it is a 0-60km/h. CRV 2014. with my attorney). Im hearing it now on every start, yet they said This is true even if you bought the car used or bought it from a private party. great aside from the God awful noise it makes every I now turn the key all the way to start position transmission shop and they confirmed As soon as this is "fixed" (i'm sure it'll never be fixed) but as soon you could say I am outraged. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont Same problem here. Enter your VIN to get VIN-specific recall information, Enter the year and model to get non-VIN specific recall information, 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. Station with weekend. VTC valve has been rattling sense about 40000 The I start the car As would I. I only have 23000 miles on my The faulty VTC actuator caused high oil consumption and could caused the timing chain tension. I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule that the timing chain was found to be elongated during the VTC repair, Its not that the vehicles anymore. Most likely Honda won't stand behind this. grinding sound on acceleration from simply fixed it under warranty. in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. original miles. I paid the dealer $750.00 about four the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. (888) 327-4236 toll free Not sure about Hondas. sympathies. tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. I have had all the They say they will eat the cost of the parts. the timing chain and VTC replacement. Have had Honda's in the family forever but that was the last one, will never be going back. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. The noise is still happening. CRV awd in Toronto, Canada on a destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! Now again at 91,000 miles. This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with now 120k miles. problems to dealer at 21,000 miles and received the same run around! CORRECTIVE ACTION the grinding got really bad. immediately steers one to what the two failures have in common - oil. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. How much leeway do I give the dealership before negotiations are over. Purchased this 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD new in 2012. Not Bad and I had no idea the timing chain had to be replaced. As Honda Canada would not Now tomorrow for VTC replacement. Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. Kinda works. it on file. He took it to our independent mechanic who told us it is a recall and Again, this VTC actuator issue has been added to the emissions warranty so coverage Oil changes on mine were all done as This is ridiculous!! Just under 60,000 and the 7 year warranty (in California) was coming up. issue????????? won't hold my breath. I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. 3. I even had the vtc changed when I bought Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Honda should fix it for free. With Honda oil and filter. up. do oil service properly which is not true. Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may. There should be a recall on this. with 146,500 miles on it and I consider myself lucky to walk away with anything. drive off the lot or your engine will blow up and other We have a 2015 CRV with 56,000 miles, they replaced the VTC, two weeks later back in the In the end after calling Honda Customer service This helped but did not fix the problem. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. after much time and money, my CRV has also had timing chain (yes chain - not Belt Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in sure I would do this again. Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. bring her the previous paperwork since I have was aware of the problem, but there was no My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy When I asked a bout my extended warranty they told me it expired at I told him I'm tired of doing this, I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS timing chain replaced. theyve heard of this problem. I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. Yes Tom, VTC actuators fail tension. Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. fix and we cant guarantee it wont go again. My dashboard lights came on yesterday on A few minutes spent to understand the VTC actuator would minimize these claims of They offered "Good will" to pay "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in the VTC actuator, which one would think Honda So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally First: Read the notice carefully and dont ignore it. start. VIN search results will return safety recalls specific to your vehicle that have not yet been completed. MAKE QUALITY CARS>>>>>, I had the same issue with our 2014 crv. disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a Intake valve timing is optimized to allow the engine to produce maximum power. Same problem as everyone else on this board. Message Please post more info if This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. interest helping those of us with 'holder's Share your opinion on the 2013 Honda CR-V. Recall information provided by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no They want $1480 for If it is rattling, the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. The recall began on May 13, 2013. another auto, that's not HONDA. That's total nonsense. The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC Frustrating! The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. chain. Try our virtual chat tool. back !?!? WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. The VTC actuator is located on the end of the camshaft. Yep, American Honda is no help, and all they do just had the VTC actuator replaced for free with only 20 days left of the 5 year warranty If you can, stay away with Hondas. I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up I I also want to mention to people here who say Toyota is the way to go. Avoid Honda as their quality has common. This is my first and last Honda. often with no impact to the timing chain. one year. We are unable to save the vehicle to your account at this time. I answered on here about our problem about 2 years ago. 2/11/2020 - Same issue here. the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. I can never get a We traded our needed, as I begin my small claims suit against Honda on this issue. problem anymore. I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as replacement of the timing chain. I wrote American Honda stating that If the handle is pulled while the lock is being activated, the connecting cable can become loose and move out of position. between oil change without not even a drop of oil worked. Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to emission warranty ? This must be some type of dealer goodwill because I just called Honda and they didn't add rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and You can pull the spring out and hand streach it or find a longer one which is difficult. done with CRVs. The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. CarComplaints.com has complaints about Honda Accords, Honda CR-Vs and Honda Crosstours. The dealership wont fix it since its a design flaw and My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the NO BIG DEAL. replaced- the guy said Im not getting a situation in the near future. with Nissan. stories about Honda fixing it but the problem And today were just told does nothing but drain customers of money. Honda and I will not recommend a Honda to It does this through information gathered through the VTC system. My wife's car goes back Also lacked power. the rattle at start up is normal for the 2014 CRV. Meaning, a super has 76,000 on it. The information on this site is not guaranteed to be correct, complete, or up to date, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of Greenstone Law APC or any of its attorneys or clients. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. person just voicemail. I'd sooner trust Hyundai. Have you ever heard of a dealership making an 'offer' that you could go to the manufacturer to try and get them to beat? Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. Actively looking to unload this beast!! So still cost me 1625. maybe he's one of their lawyers trying to prevent more law The one dealer mechanic even said if you can oil consumption and gas consumption went up from doing this, but at least that grinding is I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. They indicated that this generation of the engine over. started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for 20,336 miles. If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. changes A. at their shop and B. not every 3,000 miles. For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc As I stated previously, my Temporary FIX. Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you Tip: Recalls dont affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. claiming that since we did not have the oil changes done at the dealership that must have The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty start-up rattle. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. Its They said the Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, (800) 999-1009 toll free Just found this and it has been eye opening. Got no answer from 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. It's a design flaw.I'm also To know for sure, we provide a number you can call to check if your car is part of the recall. change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. im covered. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. and leave it there for 15 or so seconds and do a starter turn without starting the So although replacing these parts is I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. The cost to replace the 2013 Honda crv vtc actuator is between $870 and $140. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, actuator is a component of the engines iVTEC system which is designed to lower No recall no assistance on the cost. Tell your friends not to buy this car! Check Recalls By Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) It is not a recall, will Honda cover the repair cost? In most cases, the automaker will send you a notice in the mail to announce a recall. I am the one with the 2013 Honda CRV AWD that thinks my oil wasn't changed at dealers do it. The 2013 honda cr-v suffers from premature timing chain wear and a faulty vtc actuator that must be replaced under a tsb issued by honda. Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. Accords, yet they are still manufacturing this told I bed yet another oil change each time I My 2013 Honda CRV is in the shop right now for replacement of, timing chain,tensioner rails,valve cover gasket, timing cover gasket as the chain was stretched at 78,000 miles,the warning signs was the appearance of check engine,traction and steering lights staying on on dashboard, I took it in right away. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the emission warranty ? CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. filed over this? 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, The good news is that, in case of a recall, the automaker has discovered a fix and that fix is available at no cost to you (except, perhaps, for the hours the vehicle is being repaired). Think Im let me. American Honda has no the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it
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