Does Air France give preference to their own FF members and those that booked with them, as far as allowing seat assignment choices? Absolutely agree that, especially if you are traveling with a friend or partner, there are few more *fun* ways to travel than Virgin Atlantic Upper Class. Maybe the EU is less litigious, but for whatever reason, it was a pleasant surprise to have common sense prevail. if you do some Google, Air France's premium econ seats are pretty well reviled. For messaging on Facebook or WhatsApp, its free. Honestly, what we did was have a payed revenue fare on AA from ORD-JFK (I live in Chicago, so that is why we flew out of there) and then connected on CX to HKG after a nice overnight in NYC. What are the connecting flights and airports if any? One thing you can count on when you get onboard the Delta One is that youll get beautiful and stylish seats. Kinda like when United was digesting Continental and it was always a crapshoot. This has been managed by both Air France and KLM. I was in pain by the end of the flight. For bedding, Delta hands out Coz-z-z pillows and blankets. This is one of those times where knowing what type of plane you're flying in is important. In short: replace AF premium economy by Delta premium select. Lets break down the similarities and differences between their business cabins in this Air France Business Class vs. Delta One Business Class comparison. New Air France business class with reverse-herringbone lie-flat seats All Air France planes are scheduled to have the new product by the summer of 2017. The airline has partnered with other international carriers like Virgin Atlantic, Korean Air, etc. Air France's newest aircraft, the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner is outfitted with 276 seats. Anyway, back to KLM, I found the FAs to be extremely pleasant, knowledgeable, and eager to keep the passengers happy. Having trouble even getting KLM award space to show up on Delta's site. The new seats convert into lie-flat beds measuring 78.7 inches in length and 22.4 inches in width. Service, efficiency, food, priority check-in, passport, luggage, lounge access, toilet cleanliness will be the same. Business class sits directly behind the exclusive, four-seat La Premiere first-class cabin. You can also check in up to two bags, max 70 pounds or 32 kilos each. Affording Air France. As we learned last week, leveraging Deltas partners is the best way to not get screwed when redeeming SkyMiles, sowhen reader Nolan asked the following on the Ask Lucky forum recentlyI was excited to answer: The improvement in partner products is ahuge boon to the SkyMiles program. Both airlines operate globally, and they offer luxury and comfort irrespective of the type of fare class. I haven't flown AF except domestic recently. That way it can become an around the work in first class trip! Therefore, the airline intends to put more Airbus A220 on its domestic network. Just a small tip of advice: do NOT fly AF B. Fingers crossed that no one is in the 'F' seat next to me. Tiffany, Air France has La Premire, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy. Oh well. Air France has better safety videos. @ Ben -- I love first class! The main difference is that Delta has staggered seats in the window rows, and the seats closest to the windows offer a little more privacy, while AF has the reverse herringbone configuration. This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. Or is it more expensive somehow? Looking for a NYC - AMS flight in early August. I've flown the ER many times; from NY as well as Cincinnati/CDG. The seat isreally comfortable,as are the pillow and duvet. A noise-reducing headset is also available on the seat but the monitor has Bluetooth capacity so you can use your headset if you like. If youre looking at travel between North America andEurope, SkyMiles are still one of the best options once you factor in availability and overall cost. Book ahead because this runs out fast. Can't believe I missed that (and that no one else caught it either). But Ive received great service with Air France also. Best Business Class Airline Seats 2022 1 Qatar Airways 2 Delta Air Lines 3 Singapore Airlines 4 ANA All Nippon Airways 5 JetBlue Airways 6 British Airways 7 Japan Airlines 8 Oman Air 9 Etihad Airways 10 Gulf Air Best Business Class Airline Lounges 2022 1 Virgin Atlantic - LHR 2 Qatar Airways - DOH 3 Turkish Airlines - IST 4 Singapore Airlines - SIN what about the food selections on either airline. Its going to make your trip extra comfortable thanks to its fully private doors, spacious legroom, and stylish design. These are simple lavatories (certainly no showers) but they do provide additional toiletries to make it dedicated to premium guests. Also, AVOD is available from prior to the flight until engine shutdown at the arrival gate. Its not the best but comes with decent performance. Its composed of two floors and capable of accommodating up to 570 passengers at one time. KLM offersfull-flat seats in their World Business Class, which is found on their 747 , 777, and 787 aircraft. Delta One Business Class Seats. You'll think you booked with one and end on a plane run by the other. There are pastries, yogurt, salads, or an omelet. You can also lower the armrest of the seat to give you extra width. @Euro: Yes. If fares are the same, I would base my decision on terms and conditions. Tiffany - enjoy your style and posts. Also, AVOD is available from prior to the flight until engine shutdown at the arrival gate. Best 5 Jazz Clubs in Paris. I very much enjoy reading it and all of your posts before. ), Nick: "Seriously, though, Tiffany fantastic post.". In terms of the soft product, KLM has quality catering, andby far the best dinnerware. Once you start with those vlogs, the almighty Youtube algorithm will take you way, way down the rabbit hole into the whole world of folks who fly business & first and post about it for a living. Appetizers go first alongside your drinks. I believe there are some lingering A330s with angled-flat seats, but those still arent a terrible option as a worst-case (at least their angled flat seats are only six across, Air France). I was seated next to a friend of the pilot, who was brought meals and drinks from (the empty) First Class cabin. Fixed now! However, there is currently an increased sign-up bonus on the personal and business Delta Amex cards, which makes it relatively easy to pick up a bunch of SkyMiles quickly. It's night and days between the two! The operation as a whole? This was true on all four flights, so I'd hazard it's part of the corporate culture. AF main meal leaving Paris was excellent but the smaller one prior to landing was odd. I really enjoyed your previous posts. The airport wasalready unpleasant, crowded, and prone to industrial action (again, Italian), and the recent terminal fire has only exacerbated that situation. I was just wondering if one had nicer planes and better customer service than the other. Guests get either one or two lavatories dedicated to the cabin. Its major hubs include Atlanta, Los Angeles, Detroit, Minneapolis/St. There is Wi-Fi available (for a fee) on almost every flight. Delta One includes lie-flat seating for different aircraft, and direct access from all the seats on all the different types of aircraft with the exception if Boeing . Anyone have experience with either or both of them? Both have seats that lay down flat and each passenger has their own pod. Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class. Relax in privacy on selected aircraft Delta puts privacy front and centre on its newest and newly-refurbished aircraft, offering a sliding privacy door at your modern business class suite. I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. Monthly subscriptions begin at $69.95. Although, I've found most of their flight attendants to be bored and uninterested (or as Lucky says, they are "going through the motions.") Criteria Delta 777-200 Air France 777-200; Cabin Arrangement: 1-2-1 Herringbone: . Delta also offers about 1000 hours of free entertainment, including TV series and movies, via the Delta Studio system. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. I liked the Delta Suites the best, but have flown them only that one Air France offers a variety of seating options in business class, so it is important to choose the seat that best meets your needs. Dave makes an excellent point ! Regarding food, I honestly think it all comes down to your personal preference. I know my preference but that is only one factor in the selection. I don't remember Delta offering the champagne. The soft products, which are also sound, can stand some minor improvements here and there. I will typically choose Delta if given an equal choice, mainly because my FF status will play towards upgrades and my app works. Strike action is occasionally a risk with French companies, and I also find they're a bit "shruggy" if something goes wrong. If you happen to have a T-Mobile or Sprint line then you get an hours worth of free Internet when you fly on Delta. However, Delta for many is the preferred domestic airline, and as Tiffany mentioned, presents many great options when redeeming to Europe. Next comes Delta at 2.76/3. Thats why Im trying to figure out the difference. Look forward to your thoughts. As for in-flight entertainment, the airline offers Audio Video on Demand (AVOD) in every cabin on long flights. A choice of champagne, wine, juice, or just plain water, along with light bites. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. Also, those in Delta Premium Select have the chance to enjoy larger meals that may include bread and salad, while the lucky few in Delta One enjoy pre-departure bottled water, more food menus by partners like Union Square Hospitality Group or Chief Linton Hopkins are served with Alessi flatware and a wide array of beverages. I've typically only found DL availability on flights to the weirder European destinations so unless your final destination is one of those or a SkyTeam hub, the partners are probably the most realistic option. Image Credit: Delta. That hasn't been do-able when I'm on a KLM or Air France flight, even when the flights were booked through Delta. Cute, or super cute? The current Air France promo that provides for refundability of the ticket price is only for flights through June 30, 2022. Committed to Air France's mission to provide passengers superior comfort, the new Business seat draws on the 3F concept: Full Flat, the seat converts into a 2-meter long (6'5"), fully flat bed. Delta, Air France, and KLM all have good service, but there are just differences between the three airlines. Air France has 90% of their fleet equipped with Wi-Fi. Aircraft in the Delta and their respective age. I know they are partners, and their fares are the same. If Air France is Fashion Week, Virgin Atlantic is Spring Break. When we booked, Air France had cut business class award rates to and from Miami (MIA) by 25% - dropping the final cost as low as 39,750 miles for a one-way flight. It has been the only French vaccination center since 2001 that is certified International Organization for Standardization (ISO) 9001. The service and food on the return 777 was awful. I have the Delta credit card, so that also inspires me. Do NOT put in a Flying Blue (or other loyalty program number) as this can cause problems. @ Chris -- There's likely just not space, unfortunately. A personalized cabin The Business cabin guarantees you comfort and well-being throughout your flight. We earn Skymiles when we book on Delta even when the flight is on a partner airline, but I believe that if you book directly with the partner airline, you don't. For those that have flown is their a major. The Air France business class seats are back with a brand new look. A sub fleet of the 777-300 might still carry the old 2-3-2 configuration, often those flying over the Caribbean or Indian Ocean. The interior features 30 lie flat Business Class seats, 21 Premium Economy seats, and 225 standard Economy seats. Lavatories designated for Delta One Business passengers can vary depending on the plane. Could be worse. Watch out for the AF aircraft with 2-3-2 seating in business class. Aboard the Boeing 777-200 and certain 777-300, the seats are arranged in a 1-2-1 layout. Before Covid-19, Air France still had 4 different business class versions, but now, as the A380 & A340 have left the fleet, only 3 remain. I have had great service and horrid on these airlines and basically any airline :), The wine served with the meal is better on Air France. Although they operate a slew of different business class products, Air France's 777 business class ( except the ATL-CDG 3-class 777) offers a reverse herringbone layout that's worth spending your hard-earned points on. There are salads, pastries, cheeses, and more for you to indulge in. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. Delta One business class guests receive top priority when it comes to ground services. I'm SkyTeam Elite+ (via my Delta status) and I can pick any seat in my ticketed cabin on an Air France flight, even when I've purchased it through Delta's website and it's a Delta marketed flight (ie, it has a Delta flight number, though the actual metal is Air France.) Your companion can drink dine with you. My guess is that my experience wouldn't necessarily be replicated on another day. What seats are available and what are they next to. 60 Airbus A220-300s have already replaced the smaller Airbus A318. As for codeshare flights and being switched from one to the other, at the time of booking you can see who is flying the metal, so if you have a strong preference, you can manage it. BA, American, Delta, Air Canada perhaps need to rethink their offering. Image Credit: Delta. The business class in the A380 was no longer up to today's standards, unlike the business class that's installed in the Boeing 787-Dreamliner and Airbus A350, which is modern and comfortable. I would like to go to both Rome and London at some point, so it will probably be either Virgin Atlantic or Alitalia (Although I would also like to visit Amsterdam and Paris). On long-haul flights, the Surf Pass costs 8 Euros ($8.55). On 20 November 2009, Air France introduced the A380 with service to New York citys JFK Airport from the French capitals Charles de Gaulle Airport. Air France business class is ideal if you want to travel in luxury but dont want to spring for an ultra-premium trip aboard La Premiere cabin yet. These are angled seats, angled towards the window, or angled toward each other, if in the middle. On the one hand, their flight attendants are fabulously, nearly uncomfortablystylish. Sorry, I know this is not Tiffany answering (and I'm sure her reply with be x10000 better than mine), but I want to share what I would picked in the past. The airline's long-haul fleet consists of Airbus A330 and A350 plus Boeing 757 and 767-300/400 aircraft. My husband and I have status on Delta but are flying Air France and Virgin Atlantic on two different itineraries this year. Air France is a top choice for people planning transatlantic travel. On the other hand, Delta One is also a strong contender if you want a world-class business cabin. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. These seats are almost enclosed, but a small space is left open, so you don't have a total enclosure . Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class Front View. That way you can drink even more champagne and enjoy the experience more ;) so that may be a possibility for you. It also operates international scheduled cargo services to 78 countries in 175 destinations. Air France delivers one of the best on-air dining experiences inside their business class cabin. Otherwise, no discernable difference between AF, KLM, and Delta other than things like movie choice (many more foreign films on KLM and AF, of course) and drink and food choices vary. I tend to go Delta, but prefer Air France. Image Credit: Air France, Air France business class. travlermb says: June 19, 2017 at 7:28 pm. It's much better :-). Premium Delta Sky Club lounge access is available with access to partner lounges across the world. While Delta also has fantastic seats, Air Frances new seats on their business cabin have the added edge of being beautifully chic! Wonderful posts and responses. Whether to relax or get some work done, the new Business seat boasts new features to enhance your travel experience: 17.3-inch 4K screen, noise . Connecting to Wi-Fi is easy. more, Not allowing me to select seats in BA premium economy, Seats 15D & 15G - United Boeing 777-300ER. Everything is capped off with dessert. There's also other factors like itinerary and price. Business class passengers on Delta One get priority boarding and check-in, including two free checked baggage of up to 70 pounds (32 kilos) each. Delta is one of the biggest airlines in the United States. Delta vs Air France 4 years ago Save My family is considering a trip to Paris in August. For the last (and shortest) of these flights, KLM switched equipment, moving from a 777 with new World Business Class to one with old (Northwest product). Not only is it not lie flat, but there is basically no personal stowage for passport, phone, etc and the amenities bag is a joke. The new 777s have outstanding AVOD and all the charging plugs you could want, though they're over your shoulder. The KLM food is OK -- tending toward being over-prepared with mouse-like side-dishes and casseroles, but it was perfectly fine, and in huge quantities. These airlines have been around for a long while, and thats why Im sure that youll be having a great time when you get to board to your destination. The Delta One Suites are the best Delta offers because you can close a little door. Delta will give you credit, not a refund in most cases. Similarly, if Air France operates a long-haul flight from Paris (CDG) to Denver (DEN), its lie-flat seat is also called business class. (Just a tip, the cappuccino is excellent!). The Delta One business class cabin is made for business travelers and anyone who wants to be comfortable during their travels. The second option being Delta about a 767-400ER. Sure the soft product and food on the partner airlines is better (although the service and food are slightly worse on VS or at best no better than DL) but not drastically so. The seatingconfigurationisunique, but if you can sit in the single aisle, and away from the bar, the seats are moreprivate. Etihad has also committed to revamping the lounges and ground experience,so it will get better. All Air France planes are scheduled to have the new product by the summer of 2017. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Air France flies the A350-900 model, which it configures with 34 business seats in a 1-2-1 layout. Air France has a fantastic business section, but you can somehow fail to note the difference between economy and business class when it comes to Lufthansa. All my recent Air France transatlantic business flights have been in a Boeing 777, not the A350. Economy vs. Wonderful posts and responses. After taking your order, the dinner meal will be served soon after takeoff. Air France recently refinished all its business class cabins in its Airbus A330s. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines, Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class Overview. If you fly from Miami, only AirFrance operates that code share flight. Have fun in Aukland and I hope you enjoy your trip as much as I did! That's probably the best starting point. I won't go too in-depth with this part of the comparison but I can't neglect it either. People discount Delta because the lack of "prestige" airline partners like Lufthansa, Cathay, Singapore, Emirates, the perceived lack of availability of premium award space, and a previously broke award calendar. On the newer Safran Seats, guests can enjoy a 17.3-inch 4K touchscreen monitor. Professional and attentive, the service on Air France business cabins is great. Maybe it's the esthetiques. However, this doesnt apply to Basic Economy fares. The AF 777 business layout is the herringbone pattern, almost identical to the Delta product on the A330. Recently returned from Kiev flying r/t on Austrian 767 biz . Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. Open from 5:30 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., premium business guests can enter for free but theres also an option to purchase entry for 60 Euros or about $70. Delta lets you pre-order meals ahead of time online or in their Delta App. Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France all do a nice job maybe top 20 not top 10. Air France is one of the few carriers that advertises the ability to purchase lounge access (subject to availability) for Premium Economy passengers. However, Delta for many is the preferred domestic airline, and as Tiffany mentioned, presents many great options when redeeming to Europe. Does Air France give preference to their own FF members and those that booked with them, as far as allowing seat assignment choices? Depending on the plane, business class guests get one or two lavatories. I was unceremoniously rebooked into a middle seat on a777 leaving three hours later. -Air France's service is not just stylish, but actively warm/personable On the return, you could fly on QF from AKL-SYD-HKG and then HKG-LAX/JFK (and then pay for a flight from JFK-LAX) on CX. On the other hand, the economy section of AF is well-upgraded but not very comfortable, whereas Lufthansa has a great economy class. But if you fly via Atlanta, there are currently 4 flights to Paris (2 operated by Delta and 2 by AF) Also if you fly via JFK, there are 6 AF/DL flights to Paris, 4 operated by AF and 2 operated by Delta. I hadn't flown DL in forever and don't collect their miles, but bought one of their relatively inexpensive business class fares to Madrid and found it to be quite good. Some have 2 while others may have 3. Tiffany - I have lots of AA miles, and lots of Chase Ultimate Rewards, SPG miles. Avoid it at all costs because all around its not worth paying much more than a domestic first/business class fare. Do you have a favorite? Their crappy old planes, the seat layout where you cannot look out the windows so you spend your time staring at another person because you are angled facing that person, the truly awful meals for a business class product. Virgin is the best if you're going to the UK (especially Heathrow and Manchester). Business class cabin seats have just four large seats and are larger than the first class cabin, making it one of the most private sections of an airplane. Delta and Air France both offer several fare classes, much to the convenience of passengers. She called the Executive Platinum line to make the bookings (and she did it on the first call!). This class of service offers significantly more comfort and amenities than standard Economy, Premium Economy, and Domestic First Class, which usually include: Double the seat pitch (legroom) compared to Economy Another note, it would be worth it to find cheap fares from AUK-NPE for a night. My family is considering a trip to Paris in August. Never thought that would happen! That said, this was still really useful because DL is way stingier with award availability That said, this was still really useful because DL is way stingier with award availability than their partners, especially on nonstop flights. If you like to accumulate Skymiles, I'd also be concerned about whether you'll earn those if you book directly on Air France. Guests receive pre-flight champagne and snacks. It's deliberately misleading, you still get sky priority security, advance seat selection, lounges, boarding, +1 bag (light ticket has 0 bags if you don't have status), etc. Simply referred to as Delta, the latter airline is a legacy carrier and among the major ones in the United States. It also has a solid IFE and quality soft service. I mean, look at these bowls: KLM business class breakfast bowls. I am flying out of LAX tonight on AF69 (777-300ER) business class, and found it still has old 2-3-2 configuration. I did find that, for all hour KLM flights, my stranger-seatmates were delightful. Travel light and free by using your hard-earned points! The meal service starts shortly after takeoff. On other aircraft, you might find the movie selections to be a bit sparse. I was seated next to a friend of the pilot, who was brought meals and drinks from (the empty) First Class cabin. Seat. The fees amount is determined by the trip. Air France Business Class passengers connecting to or from their Air France gateway on a SkyTeam flight are also entitled to use SkyTeam-operated and SkyTeam member lounges (such as Delta SkyClubs) throughout their journey. Despite facing such uncertainty, they continued excellent service, a real great team.). The newer IFEs comes with over 350 films, mostly French titles, including an array of TV shows, documentaries, podcasts, and music. You get free access if you only want to use messaging apps. If I make my reservation through Delta, I presume I could use the skyclub. Image Credit: Air France. What really impressed me, though, is that KLM turns off the seat belt light upon reaching cruising altitude and does not turn it back on until final approach. Business class seats differ greatly depending on the aircraft. The service and food were outstanding on the outbound flight from LAX-CDG, but the business cabin was almost empty. Thank you, Tiff, for a good analysis without the "Oh-I-must-fly-first-class-only " attitude! Once transformed into a bed, the seat measures 76 inches in pitch which can sleep persons as tall as 6 feet and 4 inches. Its worth the extra cash or points if youre traveling on a longer route. As I mentioned above, Air France's A350s have different business-class seats from the newest product that the airline has been installing on its fleet of Boeing 777s and 787s as well as its Airbus A330s. Then it's the same plane. So the comment about IROPS with AF turns out to align with my experience. These airlines feature redesigned business products to deliver comfortable and stylish new seats and superb amenities while ensuring a lavish journey for their passengers. It just sets the mood for the dining experience. Yes, Air France business class offers lie-flat seats, perfect for when youre ready to sleep. One on Air France that flies a 777-300ER. Passengers can view this on setback touchscreens on most of the airlines major aircrafts. The airline was recently ranked second among the worlds largest airlines by the number of scheduled passengers carried, fleet size, and revenue passenger-kilometers flown. On occasion, you might spot high-end toiletries stocked here. Guests are also entitled to two checked-in baggage, each weighing up to 70 pounds or 32 kilos each. Owing to the COVID-19 pandemic, the airline adjusted its once stringent and expensive ticket change and cancellation policies and fees. In terms of comfort they're about the same; If you're a real entertainment buff then you might find the Delta One screens on the 767 a little bit small and distant. As Delta takes steps toward a more sustainable flight experience, the airline has started adopting more eco-friendly choices in its amenity offerings. Meals begin with starters, then mains, and dessert including a cheese plate. https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/how-to-earn-miles/airline-partners. I have flown DL pretty much exclusively the past decade or so, but just returned from four long flights on KLM -- LAX-AMS-CPT-AMS-JFK -- and was extremely happy with the experience. Air France business or first class prices for my destinations have typically been less expensive (connecting flight itineraries). Some newer Delta aircraft also has doors. The fuel surcharges can be a bummer on Virgin, but the others are pretty reasonable. So lets go through the four main transatlantic options when redeeming Delta miles. They also provide a pillow and blanket to make your night extra comfy. I could be on an old (is there any other kind) KLM craft. KLM doesn't operate the 787 yet at the moment, but when they do (the inaugural is in late october), they'll have the Zodiac seats on board - the same as the new AF product, in 1-2-1. Answer 11 of 15: I have not flown to France in years and now doing my homework. The most basic cabin is economy class followed by premium economy, then business class and finally first class, also. The "Delta One" seat on the 767 was way too cramped but it looks like they have a nicer product on other a/c. Air France 777 Business Class Seat Most of Air France's 777s including the one I flew have a 1-2-1-across reverse herringbone seat that gives you TONS of space and solid privacy.
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